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Alt 07.11.2007, 14:31   #1
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I am curious. Actually, i am really interested in your product, due to my need for speed on track

What about the sideparts of this product? if you take a closer look at the oil pan or the area where the scraper is installed, you will notice some grease at the sides were the oilpan is to be mounted.



Is this space simply filled with grease in order to prevent oil leaking out from the pan?

Or do you get some additional spacers left and right?

Acording to my point of view, if this space is simply filled out with grease or anything "out of the box" in order to stop the oilpan from leaking, it has to be doubted that after a couple of mileage the pan will still stay dry at the outside.

Do you have any experience with that?

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I am curious. Actually, i am really interested in your product, due to my need for speed on track

What about the sideparts of this product? if you take a closer look at the oil pan or the area where the scraper is installed, you will notice some grease at the sides were the oilpan is to be mounted.



Is this space simply filled with grease in order to prevent oil leaking out from the pan?

Or do you get some additional spacers left and right?

Acording to my point of view, if this space is simply filled out with grease or anything "out of the box" in order to stop the oilpan from leaking, it has to be doubted that after a couple of mileage the pan will still stay dry.

Do you have any experience with that?

Best Regards.

Yes, the picture is of the first 6M scraper that I made. I borrowed the motor from a local owner. The "grease" is old RTV silicone gasket maker.

The older scrapers were 2.5mm thick and so you would need to use enough RTV to fill in the end areas. This is not a problem for high quality RTV such as Permatex Ultra Black, which is guarateed not to leak.* But you must be careful to let the RTV fully cure (24 hours), particularly with a turbo engine which often develops a positive pressure in the crankcase. It is also important to have very clean surfaces. I have a list of tips for using RTV if you would like it.

The current scrapers for the M-series are about 1.25mm thick (.050") so this is less of an issue. I started making the scrapers thinner because people (Toyota M-series owners) were concerned about this. Most of the other scrapers that I make are 1.5mm or 2mm thick. There are many, many thousands of them in use around the world.

The scrapers work very well in racing -- I can assure you of that. Actually the technology is very well known to automotive engineers. Toyota uses small scrapers in the windage tray for the 4AGE -- so that's 20 years ago. The technology is common but comes in many different designs so you have to recognize it.

I have spoken to a number of automotive engineers and often they tell about products they have designed for the oil pan but that were not included in the engine because they were considered too expensive to make. Schade.


*RTV silicone gasket maker has been made for many years now and there are old formulas which do not seal as well. I suggest getting the most modern product with formulas which are guranteed not to leak. I am sure there are many excellent German products in this regard.
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